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Gay Is the New Black?

Updated: 11/18/2008 7:54:43 PM In the wake of California’s passage of Proposition 8, protests are popping up around the country -- and so are comparisons between gays’ and African-Americans’ fights for equality. Is gay the new black? Michael Joseph Gross examines two struggles for civil rights. Plus: Photos from Wednesday night's rally in New York City.
Excerpted from The Advocate November 16, 2008
Gay Is the New Black?

The following is the cover story from the December 16 issue of The Advocate. Selected stories from that issue will be posted November 19 on Advocate.com; subscribers will receive the issue the following week. Accompanying Michael Joseph Gross's piece are photos taken November 12 at New York City's rally against the passage of Proposition 8 in California, which rescinded the right of same-sex couples to marry. For more coverage of the New York rally, click here. Top Photo: Gregory Gillbergh

The night before Election Day, a black woman walked into the San Francisco headquarters of the No on Proposition 8 campaign. Someone had ripped down the No on 8 sign she’d posted in her yard and she wanted a replacement. She was old, limping, and carrying a cane. Walking up and down the stairs to this office was hard for her.

I asked why coming to get the sign was worth the trouble, and she answered, “All of us are equal, and all of us have to fight to make sure the law says that.” She said that she was straight, and she told me about one of the first times she ever hung out with gay people, in New Orleans in the 1970s. “I thought I was so cool for being there, and I said, ‘You faggots are a lot of fun!’ Well, that day I learned my lesson. A gay man turned on me and said, ‘A faggot is not a person. A faggot is a bunch of sticks you use to light a fire.’ ”

The next day, Barack Obama was elected president, and gay marriage rights in California were taken away. At the same time, Arizona voters amended their state constitution to preemptively outlaw gay marriage. Florida went further, outlawing any legal union that’s treated as marriage, such as domestic partnerships or civil unions. Arkansas passed a vicious law denying us adoption rights.

NY Prop 8 Rally 05 X390 (Jon Barrett) | Advocate.com The combination of Obama’s win and gay people’s losses inflicted mass whiplash. We were elated, then furious. I’d spent the week in the No on Prop. 8 office in the Castro, a neighborhood where our defeat was existential. For the next few days, wherever I went -- barbershop, grocery store, gym, bars -- I heard people talk of almost nothing else. Incredibly, strangers on the street walked up to me and started conversations about Prop. 8. Taking the long view, some found hope and consolation: 52.3% of Californians voted against us, but 47.7% voted with us, which was the closest we’ve ever come to winning a ballot measure for marriage equality in the state. Other election results were even more encouraging: In New York State, where a marriage bill is pending, we won enough legislative seats to secure a pro-equality majority; Connecticut voters rejected a constitutional convention that could have reversed that state’s legalization of marriage.

Still, the election was a blindsiding reminder that the majority of voters, even in a state as liberal as California, still see gay people as second-class citizens. These past few years we’ve made so much progress that we’d begun to think everybody saw us as we see ourselves. Suddenly we were faced with the reality that a majority of voters don’t like us, don’t think we're normal, don’t believe our lives and loves count as much or are worth as much as theirs.

History compounds the insult and suggests hypothetical scenarios rendering the mixed result of this election even more absurd. If the California supreme court and the U.S. Supreme Court decisions overturning antimiscegenation laws -- Perez v. Sharp and Loving v. Virginia -- had been blocked by popular vote, Barack Obama might never have been born. His parents would not have been able to marry in several states (although Hawaii, where they were married, had never enacted a law against interracial marriage).

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  • Name: Karen
    Date posted: 2008-12-30 7:50 AM
    Hometown: Leeds UK

    Comment:

    I served my country for 14 years in the British Army. During that time my lack of a married partner was often openly questioned and I expect questioned behind my back more often. Several times I was asked if I was gay. Had I said "Yes I am gay" I would have been jailed the dishonourably discarged. When I was born gay people outside the forces were still being jailed for being gay. I dont think anyone in the UK was being arrested or charged with being black. I cant really say what was going on in the USA in the 60s but please dont say gay people were never persecuted. Another point is a black person in a black family does not have to listen to their own family saying black people should be killed in case they molest children or infect other people.


  • Name: nene
    Date posted: 2008-12-24 10:44 AM
    Hometown: dc

    Comment:

    NONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is wrong is sooo many ways. How can you compare gay to black. It's like comparing apples & oranges. This is yet another example how Gays have been trying to ride the coat tails of the AA civil rights movement. Gay rights are civil rights, but cannot be evenly compared to African Americans seeking the civil rights their ancestors suffered & died to secure. You can hide gay, you can't hide black. Blacks were slaves in this country. Comparing the right to marry your homosexual lover, to the right to vote - own land - full citizenship is insane........ It's not the same thing. I am in favor of civil unions, but this argument has increased my position against gay marriage. PLEASE STOP MAKING THIS CONNECTION. IT DISRESPECTS THE MEMORY OF MY ANCESTORS!!!!


  • Name: CHRIS
    Date posted: 2008-12-14 2:27 PM
    Hometown: QUANTICO ,VA

    Comment:

    I`M SO SICK OF WHITE GAY MEN TRYING TO SAY THEY HAVE HAD THE SAME STRUGGLES AS BLACKS.THERE IS NO COMPARING.WHEN HAS THE WHITE GAY COMMUNITY REACHED OUT TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY,IT NEVER HAS!THE GAY COMMUNITY IS SEGREGATED.YOU GOT YOUR BLACK CLUBS,GROUPS EVENTS AND YOU GOT YOUR WHITE ONES AND ITS BECAUSE HISTORICALLY BLACKS HAVE NOT BEEN REPRESENTED IN THE MAINSTREAM GAY COMMUNITY.SO KNOW YOU GOT THE WHITE GAY PEOPLE CALLING BLACK PEOPLE NIGGERS AT RALLIES IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE PROP 8 WAS NOT PRESENTED TO THE BLK COMMUNITY PROPERLY.WHITE GAYS ARE JUST LOOKIN FOR SOMEONE TO BLAME.


  • Name: Phoenix
    Date posted: 2008-12-10 11:26 PM
    Hometown: Oakland

    Comment:

    Unforgivable cover. Unbelievable racism and divisiveness at a time when we need solutions that bring marginalized groups together and instead what do you do? Way to think of the most insulting cover you can. Not another penny.


  • Name: Fred
    Date posted: 2008-12-10 6:18 PM
    Hometown: Oak Park

    Comment:

    It is sad The Advocate has chosen to fan the flames of the Gay/Black "culture war" with the incendiary and provocative headline of its latest issue "Gay Is The New Black?". This does nothing to heal the divide between Gays and Blacks over Gay Marriage in the United States, if not make African American's bristle up even more to feel that the Civil Rights movement of the 60s is being hijacked by white gays in America that do little to reach out to people of color, gay or otherwise. Even as your own article states, "Our oppression, by and large, is nowhere near as extreme as blacks’, and we insult them when we make facile comparisons between our plights. Gay people have more resources than blacks had in the 1960s." There definitely needs to be some outreach from both Blacks and Gays to come to some sort of middle ground on issues of civil rights, but fiery attention getting covers to sell magazines is not the way.


  • Name: Clay Bradley
    Date posted: 2008-12-07 11:23 AM
    Hometown: Houston, TX

    Comment:

    The issue is so simple, but one would never know it from reading this inane, inconsistent article. Gays overwhelmingly voted for Obama. African-Americans in California voted overwhelmingly against gays. It doesn't matter whether gays are better off now than African-Americans were in 1964. They are voting against our rights and should not be given an excuse for their actions. Did Malcolm X excuse George Wallace because of his religious beliefs? Of course not. True racial equality exists when we expect people of all racial backgrounds to DO THE RIGHT THING.


  • Name: Ladonna
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 6:26 PM
    Hometown: Phoenix, AZ

    Comment:

    I am a Black Lesbian and while there are some similarities between the rights movement for racial minorities and the movement for Gay rights (of which I am a part) I am insulted by the "Gay is the new Black" mantra. If you want to further alienate Blacks from the Gay rights movement, then keep using it. I am still Black and still face discrimination because of it. I am also and out lesbian and can suffer because of that too. Saying Gay is the new Black implies that the old Black is gone and it is not. There are many Black people who support Gay rights, and there are many Black people who are Gay. Don't alienate them.


  • Name: Ladonna
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 6:25 PM
    Hometown: Phoenix, AZ

    Comment:

    I am a Black Lesbian and while there are some similarities between the rights movement for racial minorities and the movement for Gay rights (of which I am a part) I am insulted by the "Gay is the new Black" mantra. If you want to further alienate Blacks from the Gay rights movement, then keep using it. I am still Black and still face discrimination because of it. I am also and out lesbian and can suffer because of that too. Saying Gay is the new Black implies that the old Black is gone and it is not. There are many Black people who support Gay rights, and there are many Black people who are Gay. Don't alienate them.


  • Name: Ladonna
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 6:24 PM
    Hometown: Phoenix, AZ

    Comment:

    I am a Black Lesbian and while there are some similarities between the rights movement for racial minorities and the movement for Gay rights (of which I am a part) I am insulted by the "Gay is the new Black" mantra. If you want to further alienate Blacks from the Gay rights movement, then keep using it. I am still Black and still face discrimination because of it. I am also and out lesbian and can suffer because of that too. Saying Gay is the new Black implies that the old Black is gone and it is not. There are many Black people who support Gay rights, and there are many Black people who are Gay. Don't alienate them.


  • Name: Ladonna
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 6:23 PM
    Hometown: Phoenix, AZ

    Comment:

    I am a Black Lesbian and while there are some similarities between the rights movement for racial minorities and the movement for Gay rights (of which I am a part) I am insulted by the "Gay is the new Black" mantra. If you want to further alienate Blacks from the Gay rights movement, then keep using it. I am still Black and still face discrimination because of it. I am also and out lesbian and can suffer because of that too. Saying Gay is the new Black implies that the old Black is gone and it is not. There are many Black people who support Gay rights, and there are many Black people who are Gay. Don't alienate them.


  • Name: Adrian
    Date posted: 2008-12-04 4:28 PM
    Hometown: New York, NY

    Comment:

    There are stark and important differences between the experience of being black and being queer, and these things do need to be kept in perspective. But I object to the statement that most queer people can pass if they choose. I cannot choose this. This is especially true for those of us who are trans or gender variant. We can't just go against the fabric of who we are in our bodies, our minds, our loves. It's not possible and it's unacceptable to even suggest that it's a viable option. Even if Prop 8 failed, we would not have everything "we" want. Marriage is not it. There are countless homeless LGBT youth, LGBT seniors without resources, and violence perpetrated against LGBT people every day. There is much left to do. Anger is not necessarily a vice, but we do need to keep in check the temptation of some to scapegoat and use racism as a tool against homophobia. Without Malcolm X saying much bolder things to white America, MLK would not have as likely been heard.


  • Name: rev. anita cadonau-huseby
    Date posted: 2008-12-02 8:29 PM
    Hometown: San Francisco

    Comment:

    Despite the discrimination I encounter as a lesbian, as a white woman no one in my family history has endured slavery; been beaten or lynched; denied an education, a job, or housing based on the color of their skin. My parents never had to sit in the back of the bus, enter through a separate door, drink from a separate water fountain or were refused to be served in a restaurant. The struggle of any group is unique onto itself and we minimize the hardships of the other when we constantly compare theirs to our own. Let each stand on their own for the unique journey each has traveled, the pain endured and the victories won. Black or queer or whatever other minority group you choose to insert, we are all part of the human family and that's reason enough that we should all be treated equally under the law. Besides, let’s not kid ourselves that because an African-American has been elected as our next President racism is behind us. That’s a journey that still has miles and miles to go.


  • Name: Jadan
    Date posted: 2008-12-02 12:12 PM
    Hometown: San Diego, California

    Comment:

    mikealvear, I don't understand your need to specifically target black supporters of Prop 8. It wasn't there black skin that determined how they voted( a majority black country like South Africa is one of the few countries in the world that recognizes gay marriage), black skin doesn't make one support anti gay marriage measures. The most common factors that connects those who favored Prop 8 was religion and age. Religous people of every color under the rainbow supported Prop 8, so why speficially target black christians as if it's their blackness instead of their religous beliefs that are at fault? Question their religous ideologies, but making this a racial issue will not be helpful especially when many in that racial group are also members of your community.


  • Name: mikealvear
    Date posted: 2008-12-02 10:36 AM
    Hometown: Atlanta

    Comment:

    It isn't "Gay is the New Black." It's Black is the New Nay. You left black naysayers to gay rights off the hook. Is black support for discrimination acceptable because there are differences between us? Instead of holding that part of the African-American population that supported Prop 8 accountable, you gave them a pass. It’s almost like you're apologizing to them: ”Well, you know, we’re DIFFERENT, so you don’t have a moral obligation to stop what was done to you.” By holding them accountable I don’t mean BLAME. I mean holding a mirror up. The way MLK did to that part of white America that objected to black civil rights. Mirrors have a way of double-checking our self-perceptions. If I were the editors of the Advocate, I would have put an African-American clutching his Yes on 8 ballot on the cover, looking into a mirror, and seeing George Wallace smiling back.


  • Name: Milano
    Date posted: 2008-12-02 1:35 AM
    Hometown: Indianapolis

    Comment:

    As a Black, heterosexual, practicing Christian who’d’ve VOTED AGAINST PROP 8, I think a few things need to be made clear on both sides of the fence. 1: You will gain no aid from the Black community making generalizations about the whole community. Many Black people will find the phrasing "gay is the new Black" incendiary as race is visible and most of us cannot pass. Not the case with sexuality. 2: Certain members of the Black community do not agree with gay marriage on the basis of their commitment to God and religion- At the end of the day, comparison of spiritual and worldly matters is moot. That does not make them homophobic, it means they have viewed it as a moral wrong and whether or not any of us agree, human word will never measure up to that of God's. Period. So aptly apply the phrase homophobia- many people who stand against the LGBTQ community are not afraid or even prejudiced but feel that they are morally justified.


  • Name: Uriah
    Date posted: 2008-12-01 5:36 PM
    Hometown: Hermosa Beach, CA

    Comment:

    Sorry Lionel, But you are a category 5 moron. Living in a free society does not give you the right to deny rights to another person based on YOUR religious beliefs. For your information the Separation between Church and State is supposed to mean that the Government will not pass laws that discriminate against anyone based on religious beliefs. Thomas Jefferson stated, Religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God. He also said, "no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities. You being a Catholic with all your priests juggling little boys balls for years and hiding it, are the last people that should have any say about anything gay.


  • Name: Jadan
    Date posted: 2008-12-01 1:39 PM
    Hometown: San Diego, California

    Comment:

    I'm utterly amazed at the idea that the gay community somehow feels that this "gay is the new black" mantra is helpful. Essentially, you are discounting the existence of black gays. Gays have always been black, as well as every other color. So you are now fighting discrimination with more discrimination? How can you expect a community to be an ally when you don't accept the fact that members of that community are also members of your community? The gay community needs to tackle the raicial issues within their own community, they need to accept all members of their community regardless of skin color before they can expect acceptance from anyone else. Cooler heads need to prevail, and the wisest of the wise need to step to the forefront. The reactions by the gay community over the past few weeks have been disapointing to say the least, and utimately the right has been given a lot of fodder to use when SSM comes to the ballot again.


  • Name: Greg J
    Date posted: 2008-11-30 12:45 PM
    Hometown: Salt Lake City

    Comment:

    Gays of color, transgender, and yes, even lesbians are missing from the larger discourse of the gay rights struggle—primarily the gay marriage issue. The gay right's movement was and remains the "gay, white, middle class" movement! The diversity within the gay community seems to be reconciled to Pride Parades-- and AIDS advertisement. HOWEVER, it never seems to extend to national or cultural images of Gay America—like Advocate and Out magazine—the central offenders in this area! Why you ask? Because the myth and mystique of San Francisco has extended to a larger culture that gay is white and it’s male. Forget the black Drag queens who started fights during Stonewall... Gay is San Fran and Harvey Milk! But the white male paradigm controls the discourse, media, politics and consequently the image of Gay America. Before the gay community can discuss civil rights it needs to look at the power positions and paradigms of privilege within its own community and ask why they exist!?


  • Name: Erik
    Date posted: 2008-11-29 4:21 PM
    Hometown: Gothenburg

    Comment:

    I think it is a good idea not to be overwhelmed with raged when your rights are being violated and you meet a political throwback, but it is important not to fall into the other pit as well: starting to live in denial and becoming impassive. I can't really relate to the afro-american comparison, since we haven't kept any slaves in my country (we have however violated the indigenous Sami peoples their rights for a long time and behaved badly in other ways). But I think it is important to view the struggle for equality as an overarching human struggle, whenever you start pitting different groups against eachother you lose aim, focus and energy. I take great relief in the fact that God is a black, disabled lesbian. That is why she poured down the graze on me and my husband when we got married and blessed by the vicar in our home church here in Sweden. Good things do happen!


  • Name: Allie
    Date posted: 2008-11-28 1:13 AM
    Hometown: Englewood

    Comment:

    Being a young, queer, Christian, black female, I am both saddened and enraged by the comments that have been made. I wholeheartedly believe that all struggles are connected and that playing into the "divide and conquer" strategy will get you nowhere. What the hell is everyone's problem? Now is the time for everyone to band together and fight for the cause which is to get equal rights that extend beyond marriage. Instead, people are debating on who has it worse. This is a topic that has been debated for years... a little less crying and a little more action my people! Much love and no disrespect. PS. "Loqueesha" if you are really a black woman or just someone else TRYING to be funny... PLEASE don't speak for us. It's ignorant and highly uncalled for.


  • Name: Jonny
    Date posted: 2008-11-26 3:06 AM
    Hometown: Oakland

    Comment:

    "The last great civil rights struggle?" Is that really the title of the latest Advocate? As a gay person who fought hard to defeat prop 8, I find such a title incredibly problematic. I know folks are feeling a lot of pain now. What we need is to build a real movement with other oppressed people, like immigrants and people of color (some of whom are also queer), and language like this pits communities against one another and is just totally counterproductive.


  • Name: Linda
    Date posted: 2008-11-26 1:46 AM
    Hometown: Durango

    Comment:

    Gay rights ARE a civil rights issue. Not THAT civil rights issue (race), but certainly ANOTHER one that addresses blinding intolerance. Nothing to argue over here. Both groups have, and continue to, suffer their own documented injustices. The best use of ink is to contemplate how to win the war on intolerance...something that will undoubtedly benefit all of us.


  • Name: Daphne
    Date posted: 2008-11-25 4:09 PM
    Hometown: Baltimore

    Comment:

    I am not gay, but I am a Black woman, and I feel Black guilt for the way that the Black community tends to treat gays of every color. At some point, Black Americans have to understand that our struggle is not the only one there is; there are other people in this society, and world, who are seeking, and deserve, equality. Black people were not able to make the strides of the civil rights movement in a vacuum. Non-Blacks participated in sit-ins, Freedom Rides, and marches, and were called nigger lovers for their troubles. I don't have to be gay to believe in this fight. I only have to be a human being.imp


  • Name: Kyle
    Date posted: 2008-11-25 11:56 AM
    Hometown: Alabama

    Comment:

    Oh, being gay isn't as bad as being black? Is life a suffering contest now? The fact is that we are a repressed minority, without basic civil rights, which is exactly what black people were. We have been forced into sham marriages, we have faced the plague of HIV/AIDS, we have been subjected to hate crimes, we are maligned and misunderstood. One of the reasons gay people's rights are so long in coming is because no one will stand up and say these things, no one wants to be politically incorrect, but the truth is that if there are parallels between the gay rights movement and the black civil rights movement, that doesn't retract from what Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., Fred Shuttlesworth, etc. did. It is not bigoted or ignorant to make a comparison that is blatantly obvious, and it is NOT racist to ask why black people voted against civil rights.


  • Name: Becky
    Date posted: 2008-11-20 6:32 PM
    Hometown: New Mexico

    Comment:

    Last I heard, there were gay Black people too. If gays refuse to acknowledge that many of them are actually African-American, then how can they expect support from the African-American community?


  • Name: David
    Date posted: 2008-11-20 1:26 AM
    Hometown: Austin

    Comment:

    Wow... I am so amazed that there are actually gay people out there believing that since being gay can be "hidden" that it is not "as bas as" being a racial minority... what if we had told rosa parks that she should wear light makeup, get a nice wig, and some blue contacts... then she would be welcome to sit at the front of the bus... oh yes Rosa, dont forget you have to speak properly as well, can you pull off a Boston socialite accent?... That is ridiculous... we as Americans should all be granted the freedom to live our life in honesty, as we were created, without having to alter our appearance... We will not hide any longer, living life in the closet or on the "down low" is shameful.. why not force minorities in America to bleach your skin, get a nose job, some contacts and hair transplants or a wig?


  • Name: Dylan Scholinski
    Date posted: 2008-11-20 1:09 AM
    Hometown: Denver, CO

    Comment:

    Response to Owen "Hi Dylan. Did you actually read the story?" Response... my issues were not with the article necessarily but with the cover itself and the headline. A huge amount of people do not read articles... and actually only see covers and headlines. What message is sent with the cover on its own? My previous post: "My jaw dropped. This cover is wrong on so many levels. How did it ever get through all the levels necessary to get to print? Simply, i am sick over it. There are so many ways we can report our rage and disappointment, etc. As a Queer person i know we are better than this type of thoughtlessness. Although thanks to the advocate for making me painfully aware of the deeply embedded racist sediment that lays quietly at the base of our community."


  • Name: Doug
    Date posted: 2008-11-19 4:51 PM
    Hometown: upstate new york

    Comment:

    I'm tired of hearing "you can hide being gay but not being black" as though it's an advantage. Why should I have to hide to feel safe or respected in this country? Just because I can pretend to be straight doesn't make the discrimination any easier to handle. In fact, feeling like we have to hide has lead to higher suicide rates, drug use etc. among the LGBT community. Enough of the pissing contest about who has suffered more. Bottom line, we as a nation suffer when discrimination on any level is permitted.


  • Name: Justin
    Date posted: 2008-11-19 3:20 PM
    Hometown: Brooklyn, NY

    Comment:

    To Anron: You say that blacks are so homophobic and Whites voted 70% for Obama? Then explain why McCain got 27% of the Gay vote? Probably from those Log Cabin Homocons


  • Name: Justin
    Date posted: 2008-11-19 1:34 PM
    Hometown: Brooklyn, NY

    Comment:

    If anything good that comes out of all this flap about the backlash of prop 08, is that it spark some serious dialogue between the African American & the LGBT communities that 's long over due. The community needs to take a good look at itself at the taboos they have ignore for too long (racism, classim, poverty etc.)


  • Name: Brad
    Date posted: 2008-11-19 1:56 AM
    Hometown: Sydney

    Comment:

    Hey Ron from Melbourne, as a fellow Australian, you ought to look at our own country before having a go at America & the American people. I too, am disappointed at Prop 8 being passed, but at least the vote was fairly close. Here in Australia we still have 58 federal laws that discriminate against gays, although that's about to change. Meanwhile native (aboriginal) Australians die on average 20 years younger than white Australians. I love my country and hope for change, but at least the American people have voted for a wonderful black man as President. Sadly, I can't imagine an aboriginal Australian as Prime Minister for many, many years.


  • Name: Christopher
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 11:03 PM
    Hometown: Toronto

    Comment:

    Bayard Rustin was elided from key moments in history because he could not "pass" as "good black folk", because he was gay. Gay has always been black - there ain't nothin' "NEW" about that. What would be interesting to see is would we be having this same conversation if Bayard's sexuality was NOT something to be concealed but rather integral to the humanism that we now celebrate vis a vis Kings legacy in the Obama moment? The key issue now is truly about civil rights because ostensibly what has happened is that a group of individuals have circumvented the democratic process because they feel endowed to do so, just simply because they don't like social change.


  • Name: Christopher
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 10:54 PM
    Hometown: Toronto

    Comment:

    I am curious about this desire to try and "trump" ones pain, and suffering. Those who suggest that "gays can pass" and therefore cannot compare their suffering are misguided. FYI not all "the gays" are white. The civil rights movement required a certain respectability that required sexuality to be closeted within its own ranks. "passing as a 'good' black" if you will. And when has "passing" come to be understood as a "good" thing, and not a key component to ones oppression, for fear of violence, hostility, and degradation by individuals within/out of their imagined communities.


  • Name: Aaron
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 8:09 PM
    Hometown: Richmond

    Comment:

    To Wallace: Interesting that you recognize stupidity in others but not in your own post. Is it really 'stupid' to open up the coffers of civil rights to others? Including yourself? Maybe you have caught more grief over your race than your sexuality because you keep that hidden, instead of "wearing it on your sleeve". Your choice to be sure, but name-calling those who chose not to hide it is not really helpful to advancing our rights, again including yours. White gay men are some of the most racist people on the planet? Really? All of us? Including the 70% who voted for Obama? The rising tide lifts all boats. Can we refrain from the name calling and try to lift one another instead?


  • Name: Dee Galloway
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 8:09 PM
    Hometown: Denver, CO

    Comment:

    I’m not surprised Prop 8 etc passed. Equality in the US is the great urban myth of our time. I’m not surprised my gay community behaves as if ignorant of the fact that black people are among us - an attack on the black community is an attack on your sister. I’m not surprised my black community behaves as if ignorant of the fact that gay people are among us - an attack on the gay community is an attack on your sister. I’m not surprised my faith community behaves as if ignorant of the fact that black and gay people are among us - an attack on either community is an attack on me, your sister. I’m not surprised the denial of the personhood and vitriolic attacks against “the other” continues and continues and continues. Humans have always behaved as though ignorant of the fact that every one of the people around us is human, too. I expect to die unsurprised. But I won't know unless something changes before my death. Can it? Will it? Surprise me, PLEASE! But do it soon.


  • Name: Aaron
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 8:06 PM
    Hometown: Richmond

    Comment:

    Camille: Your point is taken, but, historically can you say "Matthew Shepard"?


  • Name: Aaron
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 8:01 PM
    Hometown: Richmond

    Comment:

    To Wallace: Interesting that you recognize stupidity in others but not in your own post. Is it really 'stupid' to open up the coffers of civil rights to others? Including yourself? Maybe you have caught more grief over your race than your sexuality because you keep that hidden, instead of "wearing it on your sleeve". Your choice to be sure, but name-calling those who chose not to hide it is not really helpful to advancing our rights, again including yours. White gay men are some of the most racist people on the planet? Really? All of us? Including the 70% who voted for Obama? The rising tide lifts all boats. Can we refrain from the name calling and try to lift one another instead?


  • Name: Dee Galloway
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 7:59 PM
    Hometown: Denver, CO

    Comment:

    I'm a Black Lesbian, a person of faith, a citizen of the USA. I'm gay and think LGBTQIA people should strive for something higher than marriage. Still, I mourn the loss of rights we shouldn't have had to fight for in the first place. As a lesbian, I'm sickened that many in my gay community still believe that these grievous wrongs justify committing the same vitriolic bashing and hate crimes that have been committed against us. As a black woman, I’m sickened that many in my black community still believe that my harmless love of another woman is somehow a threat to their love of a member of a different gender. As a person of faith, I’m sickened that many in my faith community believe that my love of a woman is an abomination and a threat to their worldview. These things were true before 11/4/08. I’m not surprised that they’re still true today; I won’t be surprised if they’re still true in the next decade or millennium. (continued)


  • Name: Sue
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 7:08 PM
    Hometown: Tucson, AZ

    Comment:

    Apparently, fueling controversy is preferable to furthering our community’s goals. The author writes " . . . we insult them when we make facile comparisons between our plights." And yet there it is right on the cover! Instead of stupid comparisons, we should be taking lessons from the civil rights movement. Unfortunately, our so-called leaders seem to think we’re so special that political reality doesn't apply to us. In 2004, polls showed steady improvement in our status. A narrow majority approved civil unions but the same rights under the name of marriage were overwhelmingly opposed. Yet our leaders insisted on the whole prize instead of smaller victories to build on. It was a huge mistake. So now, we find ourselves moving backwards. Had we pursued civil unions, we might be celebrating. But instead of continued progress for all of us, a lucky few in some ultra-liberal states have marriage, while the rest of us get to live with the backlash they created.


  • Name: Bill
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 6:05 PM
    Hometown: Arlington, VA

    Comment:

    I write from Washington, DC. It is very interesting to read how Blacks are at such a disadvantage. The real truth is that Blacks as "a community" are virulently homophobic. Being gay is seen as "white man's sickness." The homophobia in the Black church is legendary -- it is just considered an acceptable double-standard not to acknowledge it. Here in D.C. we are experiencing a dramatic increase of black violence (including death) against gays -- particularly between by those between 18-24 years old. I see the vote against us by Blacks in California are just another form of gay bashing by a group that is taught by its own to hate us.


  • Name: Owen
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 5:51 PM
    Hometown: Providence

    Comment:

    Hi Dylan. Did you actually read the story?


  • Name: Tadpole
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 5:42 PM
    Hometown: Rochester

    Comment:

    Lets all be honest here. Yes there is a contingent of affluent, white gay men who perpetuate racist stereotypes within our community at large. There are also a large number of people of color in our community who place race and the civil rights component of race on a higher pedestal than sexuality and gender. WE ARE ALL FLAWED. Just look at Bayard Rustin, a pioneer in queer equality. King and the movement asked my queer brother to step to the back of the bus to advance racial equality, and he did. Now its time for people of all colors and flavors to say FUCK THAT WEAK SHIT. Equal rights now. Yes, discrimination based on orientation is no different than race, it comes from a place of hate. If we need to call out or define an enemy, let it be the heteros and the religious right, not one another. Civil Mariage Equality Now.


  • Name: Tadpole
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 5:41 PM
    Hometown: Rochester

    Comment:

    Lets all be honest here. Yes there is a contingent of affluent, white gay men who perpetuate racist stereotypes within our community at large. There are also a large number of people of color in our community who place race and the civil rights component of race on a higher pedestal than sexuality and gender. WE ARE ALL FLAWED. Just look at Bayard Rustin, a pioneer in queer equality. King and the movement asked my queer brother to step to the back of the bus to advance racial equality, and he did. Now its time for people of all colors and flavors to say FUCK THAT WEAK SHIT. Equal rights now. Yes, discrimination based on orientation is no different than race, it comes from a place of hate. If we need to call out or define an enemy, let it be the heteros and the religious right, not one another. Civil Mariage Equality Now.


  • Name: Tadpole
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 5:41 PM
    Hometown: Rochester

    Comment:

    Lets all be honest here. Yes there is a contingent of affluent, white gay men who perpetuate racist stereotypes within our community at large. There are also a large number of people of color in our community who place race and the civil rights component of race on a higher pedestal than sexuality and gender. WE ARE ALL FLAWED. Just look at Bayard Rustin, a pioneer in queer equality. King and the movement asked my queer brother to step to the back of the bus to advance racial equality, and he did. Now its time for people of all colors and flavors to say FUCK THAT WEAK SHIT. Equal rights now. Yes, discrimination based on orientation is no different than race, it comes from a place of hate. If we need to call out or define an enemy, let it be the heteros and the religious right, not one another. Civil Mariage Equality Now.


  • Name: Dylan Scholinski
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 5:14 PM
    Hometown: Denver, CO

    Comment:

    My jaw dropped. This cover is wrong on so many levels. How did it ever get through all the levels necessary to get to print? Simply, i am sick over it. There are so many ways we can report our rage and disappointment, etc. As a Queer person i know we are better than this type of thoughtlessness. Although thanks to the advocate for making me painfully aware of the deeply embedded racist sediment that lays quietly at the base of our community.


  • Name: Briorick
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 4:41 PM
    Hometown: Illinois

    Comment:

    Personally speaking from a 50 yo Gay mans point of view. Call it what you want....... just not Marriage! I do not want to be in the same classification as Heteros, they have tarnished the meaning of Marriage. Marriage nowadays means "Nothing". And on the other hand I feel that we as Gay people should not be required to pay for schools, welfare, etc. Can you imagine the state of the economy if all Gay people didn't have to contribute. Sounds like a wonderful idea. Pay for your own Damn children, why should we have to support those of you who wish to procreate inside and outside of Marriage and expect others to take care of them. If I had it my way, we would not allow people to have children who cannot take of them. Hmmmmm, brings to mind China. The disgusting part of this whole procreation is that people bearing children these days are not of the most educated themselves. Unlike dogs, people do have control over their bearing offspring.


  • Name: mark
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 3:04 PM
    Hometown: rochester

    Comment:

    In talking about same sex marriage as a civil right i think we need to remind Americans of the language the US Supreme Court used in it's 1967 Loving vs Virginia decision (striking down laws prohibiting mixed race marriage); "...marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man..." Similar language defining marriage as a civil right has been found in several other Supreme Court decisions since (including marriage rights for federal prisoners).


  • Name: Wallace
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 2:55 PM
    Hometown: Baltimore

    Comment:

    This is utter stupidity at its finest! As a gay black man, I can clearly tell you that I have caught far more grief over my race than my sexuality...Afterall, my sexuality isn't something that I wear on a rainbow colored tattoo...Maybe more of you queens should try it! I knew this was bound to fail, because white gay people - particularly white gay men - think that black people are stupid enough to just open up the civil rights coffers and let you have at it...Well it doesn't work! Just like black gays, lesbians, Hispanics, and "others" know, white gay men are some of the most racist people on this planet. This past election, the only minority that showed an increase for voting Republican, namely John McCain, was white male gays!


  • Name: Dylan Scholinski
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 2:39 PM
    Hometown: Denver, CO

    Comment:

    This cover is wrong on so many levels. How did it ever get through all the levels necessary to get to print? Simply, i am sick over it. There are so many ways we can report our rage and disappointment, etc. As a Queer person i know we are better than this type of thoughtlessness.


  • Name: Samm
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 1:47 PM
    Hometown: New York

    Comment:

    @ Rick - How dare you say that LBGT and black civil rights and black struggle are the same. See blacks can't hide their color but gays can be in the closet. More blacks died than any other people in America than anyone else. Go spread your stupidity and AIDS somewhere else.


  • Name: Dean
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 1:44 PM
    Hometown: Houston

    Comment:

    You sick and perverse f@ggots should die. If my parents were gay I would commit suicide or better yet I would murder them. Gays are sick and demented and attempting to force their sick and disgusting ways on everyone. If you speak against it then these sickos want to call you a "bigot". I wish that we could put all f@gs and dikes in detention camps and set it afire. I would provide the gasoline. I wish crime against h0mos will increase. You sick and vile deviants, and your "struggle" doesn't even compare to any human civil rights. Maybe you can compare it to slime or dirt then again I have more respect for slime.


  • Name: Samm
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 1:40 PM
    Hometown: New York

    Comment:

    COMPARING THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WHICH DEALS WITH RACE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE GAY AGENDA STRUGGLE WHICH IS A LIFESTYLE ISSUE. THEY DON'T COMPARE AND TO SAY THEY DO IS TO SAY THAT BLACKS STRUGGLE AND FOUGHT IN VAIN. YOU GAYS NEED HELP--MENTALLY.


  • Name: Rick
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 1:10 PM
    Hometown: Saginaw, Mi

    Comment:

    Camille and Nikki, please do a quick Google before you post next time. Yes, GLBT people have been killed, beaten, fired from their jobs, kicked out of their homes, torn from those they loved, and denied education. Is it exactly the same as the fight that the blacks faced? No, but it is more similar than you would seem to like to believe. And whether you like it or not it is, by definition, a civil rights issue.


  • Name: Belinda W
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 11:41 AM
    Hometown: Williamsburg, VA

    Comment:

    RE: Dr. Bob's comment: Thank you very much !!! As a straight sibling of six total, two of which are gay, I can most definitely attest that my sister or brother's attraction to the same sex is no more controllable than my own towards the opposite sex. Why in God's name would gay people set out to be persecuted and discriminated against just to do it. There is absolutley no rationale behind that. Perhaps if the religious right thought stem cell research would prevent homosexuality in utero , they'd probably pass that with flying colors. When will we as a society stop looking for reasons to hate one another? Will that take a gay president? Preserve the sanctity of marriage? Then outlaw adultery. Solved.


  • Name: camille
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 11:13 AM
    Hometown: fayetteville, ga

    Comment:

    Historically, has a gay man or gay women been hanged or lynched for looking a white woman or white man in the eyes? NO Never. The struggles and fight for equality of Blacks is not equal to a gay man or gay woman. Please don't compare and nip that title in the bud. Yes, gay men and gay women should have rights. But, their struggle is not comparable to that of BLACKS-AFRICAN AMERICANS. Stop the comparing madness!


  • Name: Nikki
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 11:12 AM
    Hometown: Decatur, GA

    Comment:

    Gay IS NOT THE NEW BLACK! NEVER compare being BLACK as a race to being GAY. Blacks/African Americans have been lynched, hanged, slaves, raped, children killed, women killed, our men taken from the homes, not given the right to read, go to school - this struggle does not compare to being GAY NEVER. YES, I acknowledge the struggles of Gay men and GAY women. But has a gay man or gay woman been denied the access to read, write or lynched in the MAGNITUDE Blacks back in the 1900's until the late 1960's have been. NO. YES gay men and women face discrimination, but the GAY movement is not that of the CIVIL RIGHTS movement.


  • Name: Dijah
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 8:16 AM
    Hometown: Va Beach

    Comment:

    You are woefully misinformed John. There are many many gays in the military. Whether people want to admit it or not. Like gay republicans, it is hard to believe they exist. But it is true nonetheless. Everyday it seems a retired officer is coming out against don't ask don't tell. Gay soldiers, and I usually don't generalize, but most gay people are the hardest working and most dedicated people out there. They are the teachers with extra time to spend with students. They are the aunt or uncle with extra time and money for nieces and nephews. I really and truly wish that every gay person would come out. Not only in the military, but worldwide. It would show ignorant folks like yourself how many great things gay people contribute to society. Especially in the military. It would shut down if all the gay people were kicked out. So before you decide we're so sick, you need to start thanking us for defending your freedoms.


  • Name: Dijah
    Date posted: 2008-11-18 8:14 AM
    Hometown: Va Beach

    Comment:

    You are woefully misinformed John. There are many many gays in the military. Whether people want to admit it or not. Like gay republicans, it is hard to believe they exist. But it is true nonetheless. Everyday it seems a retired officer is coming out against don't ask don't tell. Gay soldiers, and I usually don't generalize, but most gay people are the hardest working and most dedicated people out there. They are the teachers with extra time to spend with students. They are the aunt or uncle with extra time and money for nieces and nephews. I really and truly wish that every gay person would come out. Not only in the military, but worldwide. It would show ignorant folks like yourself how many great things gay people contribute to society. Especially in the military. It would shut down if all the gay people were kicked out. So before you decide we're so sick, you need to start thanking us for defending your freedoms.


  • Name: Jack
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 5:32 PM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    It's great to see Wanda Sykes come out, and also to see many other celebrities support gay marriage and against Prop 8. But where are Donny and Marie, who have never minded using gay talent for support in the industry, and have willingly taken gay dollars at their various venues? They are suspiciously QUIET. Are they closet supporters of Prop 8?


  • Name: Ron
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 3:18 PM
    Hometown: Melbourne

    Comment:

    America is supposed to be the land of the free, but I would never want to live there. America has always found someone to persecute. At one time black people and now gay people, you just can't help yourselves. You need to grow up as a nation.


  • Name: Big Mike
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 1:53 PM
    Hometown: San Diego, California

    Comment:

    I do not care what anyone says gay rights is a civil rights issue, and to deny gays and lesbians the right to marry and other rights that straights now enjoy, is a slight to our Constitution. How any man or woman can stand for equality yet fight hard to deny rights to others is beyond me. Again gay rights is a civil rights issue, and should be treated as such.


  • Name: john
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 12:32 PM
    Hometown: cork

    Comment:

    that gay soldier is sick, california voted right, no to gays


  • Name: Scott
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 11:55 AM
    Hometown: Boulder

    Comment:

    The most affective way for us to make an impact is to boycott any corporation or company that has a significant holding by the Mormon and/or Catholiic church. One such organization is the Zion Bancorporation. Their companies include: Amegy Bank of Texas California Bank & Trust National Bank of Arizona Nevada State Bank The Commerce Bank of Oregon The Commerce Bank of Washington Vectra Bank Colorado Zions First National Bank (Utah and Idaho) Other Businesses and Affiliates Zions Agricultural Finance Zions Bank Capital Markets Zions Credit Corporation Zions Direct Zions Management Services Company Zions Public Finance Zions Small Business Finance NetDeposit Contango Capital Advisors If you have bank accounts with any of these institutions or do business with any of their companies please change your acocunts.


  • Name: Lenore Dukes
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 10:23 AM
    Hometown: Williamsburg, VA

    Comment:

    You're right to point out that oppressed groups are never equal in their oppressions, but we can learn from all forms of hatred and all forms of action against it. But the language in this article reveals assumptions that marginalize and make invisible members of the gay rights movement. "To blame this loss on black people would be a terrible mistake, and it would only increase enmity between gays and blacks." Those two categories are not mutually exclusive, nor monolithic. Where in that sentence is there room for the many gay black people in America? "...our black allies" Again, casting these two identities as mutually exclusive interest groups undermines your point. It's one thing to talk about how different identities are differently oppressed, or to compare the two movements as a whole, but setting the two identities of individuals side by side in comparison or alliance helps reinforce the whitening of the gay rights movement by the media and by many within it.


  • Name: art martinez
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 5:06 AM
    Hometown: los angeles

    Comment:

    i am a gay soldier fighting in the war in IRAQ,,,,,and i find it hard to stay motivated when i read about churches back in the states AGAINST gay marriage i mean,,,you are FREE to speak to YOUR people about whatever you want just dont SHOVE your views down on everyone ,,,,,,,,like i said i am GAY fighting for the USA,,,,,,and when i get home i will give my BF a big hug and kiss,,,,,then i will march in ANY protest i can find ,,,


  • Name: John
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 1:57 AM
    Hometown: Seattle, WA

    Comment:

    Perhaps the title is incorrect. Being gay is the last acceptable act of open hostility a civilized nation can inflict on another human being. We’re in the throws of great change and growth where individuals are confronted with giving up old-wives tales and religious fallacies. It is the flat earth society, reborn. And we’re being forced to reckon with a changing world that’s happening more rapidly than our moral immaturity is allows. Blacks and whites are complicit in this immaturity if it based upon race or sexual orientation. But from a religious standpoint – you can place plenty of blame for this ignorance on our education system that has failed us dramatically with the anti-intellectualism that has gripped our nation. As a black gay man, if you want to stop the ignorance concerning homosexuality within our community try bettering the education system, so black children don’t have to listen to ignorant preachers.


  • Name: Casey
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 1:01 AM
    Hometown: Toronto

    Comment:

    What about transsexual people? If Gay is the New Black, than Trans is the new Nigger.


  • Name: Jon Kyle
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 12:13 AM
    Hometown: Columbus, OH

    Comment:

    What gets me about all of this is where were you all in 2004 when my state of Ohio and all the other states voted to make gay marriage AND civil unions illegal? I've already been through this and nearly lost my health back then. It's funny-- when Californians lose their rights, the whole country is pissed. Thank God for California.


  • Name: Erik
    Date posted: 2008-11-16 12:07 AM
    Hometown: Palo Alto, CA

    Comment:

    Let us just get on with it. We have to realise that California is not ready to allow us marriage. And so is Illinois, Hawaii and Rhode Island. Just suck it up and go back to what we do best - be fabulous!


  • Name: dr. bob brogna
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 7:43 PM
    Hometown: merritt island fl.

    Comment:

    The anti-gay right has very cleverly brainwashed many blacks into believing that blacks are born black and can not change, but that gays are NOT born GAY and can change. This line of thinking then says that "therefore, gay rights is not a civil rights issue, because being gay is a preference and gays can change, whereas being black is not a preference. Once they understand that gays are born gay (Am. Med. Assoc. et.al) and medically validated , then they should have equal rights to blacks or any other minority. This can not be said enough, because the anti-gay movement hinges on gays not being born gay. Being gay is not a preference anymore than your sexual identity is a preference. You did not choose to be straight, I did not choose to be gay. It was predetermined genetially, in the womb. It is not abnormal or an illness and naturally occurs throughout the entire animal kingdom.


  • Name: Guri
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 3:13 PM
    Hometown: Oslo, Norway

    Comment:

    Hi Steve, your are right: Being "nice" has never worked. But is CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE enough? I do not think so. It is time for ATTACK! Deprive the enemies of civil rights of their tax exemption, for starters! The people who call themselves religious ought to be busy enough living their lives according to their teachings, and they should let the rest of us live our lives the way we find the right way. Non-religious people also have values! And in contrast to the many unconstitutionally state favored and -supported religious groups, we do have a clear understanding of Civil Rights and of Civil Dignity. A state without a substantial part of the population understanding the foundations of the Secular State will not be able to focus on the challenges of the near future. And it will not focus on the things that matter for the survival of democracy.


  • Name: Steve Howard
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 1:41 PM
    Hometown: Young Harris, Georgia

    Comment:

    Two Words: CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE ...... it's all they ever understand. Being "nice" has never worked. This couple well-knows from 40 years experience protesting in the streets. "Hold your head up ...... hold your head high"


  • Name: Preston
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 12:13 PM
    Hometown: Shreveport

    Comment:

    The Advocate cherry picks through these comments to suite their own agenda. What is the point of comments if you can't say what you want! The Advocate, the worst Gay Wb site there is!!!


  • Name: maxime Le May
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 9:06 AM
    Hometown: Québec

    Comment:

    The last great civil rights struggle ! Ever heard of trans folks being discriminated on medical, employment and civil rights ? Ever heard of ENDA and the struggle the trans folks are having to get the same rights ? Did you ever hear that pride without any empathy is only arrogance ? I personally think that the gay mouvement is the last great civil rights debate Max


  • Name: kendoll
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 2:46 AM
    Hometown: San Francisco

    Comment:

    If you believe in marriage equality for all Californians, please visit WWW.INVALIDATEPROP8.ORG and make a donation to fight discrimination in California. Send a message that bigotry will not stand and that marriage equality should be for all Californians.


  • Name: Hank C
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 2:43 AM
    Hometown: Austin, TX

    Comment:

    Marriage Rights were not legislated away. They were subjected to a plebiscite. Madison specifically argued against mob votes on the rights of minorities in the Federalist Papers 9 and 10. These votes violate the fundamental nature of the Republic, because we are not a pure democracy. Calling the passage of Prop 8 the "will of the people" is nothing but propagandic buttressing for violating the spirit of the country and wrenching rights from others. I hope the California Supreme Court decides that this is a religious issue as well as a violation of the equal protection clause. But this should have never been put to a vote. The action was wholly Un American and those who think it is fail at the history of American Government.


  • Name: Bean67
    Date posted: 2008-11-15 1:18 AM
    Hometown: Los Angeles

    Comment:

    I don't think this is meant to be a comparison piece of who's suffered more. The fact is that it's still okay to legislate away the civil rights but not okay to do that with African Americans. I'm not saying there aren't racist people permeating our culture but the time has passed when African Americans' are outwardly, legally, legislatively, denied rights. Hell, discrimination is unending... women face discrimination, enslavement and condescension everyday in overt and subtle ways. Once gays gain equal rights...the women's Equal Rights Amendment has yet to pass...the question might very well be... Is Female the New Gay? We jump a hurdle and we land on our faces. If this election taught me, a gay woman, one thing, it's that misogyny, homophobia and racism are rampant. I think that's the point. A struggle for rights is one and the same at the end of the day...so is gay the new black? It's a metaphor for a larger struggle. I think it's provocative.


  • Name: Hank C
    Date posted: 2008-11-14 11:56 PM
    Hometown: Austin, TX

    Comment:

    I am gay and black. I can hide my orientation if need be. I cannot hide my skin color. My skin color is an issue whenever I walk into a gay bar, whenever I try to get a date, or meet people. Skin color is completely different from sexual orientation. However discrimination is the same. And discriminating based on either is WRONG!!!!!


  • Name: Michell
    Date posted: 2008-11-14 10:31 PM
    Hometown: NYC

    Comment:

    re @ Name: Rakk " Being gay is an "activity" not a race.They are not real minorities gay ppl are as racist as whites who dont practice the "activity".They are fooling you by the "group" they are tricking the public." So, according to you only Caucasian people can be racist. Sorry to disappoint you, but racism comes from Blacks, Whites, Asians, Latinos, etc. Every race on the planet has it's racists and if you believe other wise, there's very little hope left for you. I'm a white female, my husband is Chinese, my best friend is black, my closest cousin is half latino - I am bi-sexual. I was born that way. Does that automatically make me half-racist or do you have some other categorization for me? Will having a black best friend cancel it out? This vile, wicked, hate is no different from the crap that racially mixed couples had to go through before the Loving decision. They were stripped of their basic rights and so are WE.


  • Name: Rakk
    Date posted: 2008-11-14 10:10 PM
    Hometown: California

    Comment:

    Being gay is an "activity" not a race.They are not real minorities gay ppl are as racist as whites who dont practice the "activity".They are fooling you by the "group" they are tricking the public.


  • Name: Christian
    Date posted: 2008-11-14 10:01 PM
    Hometown: Atlanta

    Comment:

    I would agree that gay is the new black. We can’t be afraid to raise this issue just like Rev. Desmond Tutu raises this same comparison. One good thing about having Obama as president is now we should be able to talk all gloves off and not be afraid to make the comparison anymore for political correctness. If they African American community doesn’t like the comparison what are they going to do? Vote for Palin?


  • Name: Dan P
    Date posted: 2008-11-14 5:35 PM
    Hometown: Altadena

    Comment:

    The opin